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The root beer is very nice in person I have to agree. It’s warm on the eyes. Classy.

No date ? No thanks

An AD is supposed to be working for you and making your buying process as easy as possible, if they're not doing that I'd go elsewhere.

I mean, most Zenith have gotten weird. Same with Hamilton. I think they're all suffering under what most people want. Sadly.

Bruce, I'm sorry but you are delusional about these good dealers. Rolex will turn you into the greedy bitches they want or they will pull their product.

...Good ADs??? I used to work for thee so called good ADs. I quite because of the way they insisted I lower myself to lying to people about Rolex. I could not do this. I quite!

I got mine 2 Months ago and it quickly became my everyday Watch. Such a stunning watch. Its just a shame that I dont wear it during vacation.

never buy from an AD. buy from Chrono24.

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I would not buy a Zenith for my first large purchase personally, if your in no rush wait for a used model you will get 50% off but if your buying Zenith buy their Chronographs.

Really interesting topic as we've all probably had different experiences good and bad with Authorised dealers. One of the strangest I've had was when a sales lady was knocking other brands and telling the history of her product. So bizarrely I became an advocate for the defense. Important to remember we only know a version of 50% of the story , but, nobody likes to be bullied and I'm sure Zenith would be furious. This format is terrific by the way as you two come across really genuine watch oficionados.

Considering buying one. Yes, the movement does not match the price but I feel like every watch has at least one major drawback and if they don't, then the price is.

😊🙏 Help us to Focus our Mind with these calming tunes & ticklings of a well made mechanical watch ... 🌷🌿🌍

Love that you've started referring to these type of GMTs as caller or flyer. It makes a lot more sense. 🙂

Its plastic and very very low quality

I bought a zenith defy skeleton in January 2024. They had it in black, I wanted it in blue. 2 months later one arrived. They called me. I was in the next day. I loved it. I said I’ll but it now at the right discount. I asked for 15% on the basis I could get in on chrono 24 for less, but I’d rather buy from the AD. They bit, I bought. And they had another customer who was interested but I was there, ready willing and able to buy. (And I did). Went back and bought 3 more straps (full price) lol. And I liked them, they deal in other brands, and I’ll be going back to the same AD to buy my next watch.

Sick watch. I’m a sucker for moonphase complications. Looks killer on the stainless strap.

The Datora reminds me of the Zenith Chronomaster triple date moonphase.

Have him go to a Rolex AD and then he'll think the Zenith AD was a good time.

I used to be a Zenith AD sales rep (and actually kinda got the job because I knew what Zenith was in the first place). That sales rep sounds obnoxious and is probably doing the "ABC" thing, which is "always be closing". It's actually not ineffective, in the general sense, *but* it's probably not well suited to most people looking to buy a Zenith. It'd probably be very effective on a pre-owned Rolex or something, and maybe some Omegas, etc. A Zenith buyer is probably more about affirming the qualities of the brand, and knowing that *they* know (Zenith *and* other brands), and the Defy Skyline would especially benefit from access to a full length mirror.

The indexes (markers) are indeed solid 18kt moonshine gold.

I love mine!

My advice to Tony for his next purchase. Straight up tell the sales rep that this is a very important purchase for yourself and you would appreciate not to be rushed on your experience purchasing that piece. If that sales rep is worth his salt he will understand inmediately and dial it down two clicks.

i've had a lot of bad experience with my rolex dealer, so all the other brands ive wanted that the rolex AD carried, I've bought from other shops because they give me a great experience. Shoutout to Royal Jewelers in Massachusetts .

Rolex will always top trumps over the Omega

The only downside in my opinion is their name and their logo design that kinda drags their beautiful designs down

Very nice and true review. I bought this watch recently (on learher), I find it absolutely exquisite, especially considering it is a serious 300m diver and even if I agree with you on the missed opportunity that is the non-lum internal bezel. Not such a big deal though. Happy you mentioned the « exceptionaly » smooth crown(s) action, as it is truely incredible, despite no reviewer underlining it. Original, elegant and fun, with a very good movement.

Good conversation, guys. AD's that exert sales pressure these days are getting a adios from me. Good negotiation tips too. Be reasonable with the offer, know what the market will bear for the watch and have cash in hand. Works well from me!

i totally agree with your approach. I am assuming the buyer is not someone who constantly goes in and looks at the same watch and always says no.

Ok i know that my next whatch will be a Zénith Defy

Good topic dudes. These are always fun to watch. A young aggressive salesman will always put me off. Being really nice, not overly pushy or overly complementary is what speaks to me. When it's clearly too large and saying that is a perfect fit----- well then bye. When I tell them my collection and then they say well then you need this, well that's not what drives me- I just want something that speaks to my craziness.

Great advice, Bruce. Jomashop current price on bracelet w/ added rubber strap is $6,550 (but in very dark blue).

What size is Bruce’s wrist? The 39mm looks perfectly fine on his wrist size imo

You can buy these watches at 30% off at any dealer

The AD was a schmuck. Go elsewhere. It is important for the buying experience to be pleasant. Otherwise, every time you look at the watch you’ll be reminded of the acquisition process.

What size is this? I would love to buy a vintage 36, but there is no way I can buy a 40mm. I have a 7.5”-7.7” wrist. Furthermore, there are definitely places where I cannot wear this watch.

I had the first generation Sapphire Sandwich Speedy which i got in 2006 pre-owned. Beautiful, historic but, the inability to hack and its always running at and sometimes beyond its +11 seconds a day spec always bothered me. A few months ago I sold it for $3200 and purchased this new generation Speedy Sapphire. The 3861movement is a night and day difference from the older 1863 movement. It hacks and its accuracy has held at +1 second per day regardless whether I wind it every day or every other day and in any position on the night stand. The new bracelet is beautiful and its taper makes the 42mm Speedy wear smaller. Mine came with quick adjust clasp. The bracelet is almost too beautiful with its polished edge inserts. I wear it for more "formal" occasions but I bought Forstner's brushed version of the fabled Omega 1450 bracelet which I wear as an everyday "banger" as well as an Artem black sailcloth strap. The Speedy is such a versatile watch that it looks great on almost any strap or bracelet you choose to put on it. At 8K, it's a bit pricey but, to me, it gives a better bang for the buck than a Rolex does.

I wish they offered a no date.

Ze;ninth: OVERPRICED!!!!

I am always shocked at the idea of “stealth wealth.” Every item I see under this category screams luxury. If anything, I think these items simply display “wealth.” Or perhaps “wealth with taste.” No one who knows anything about jewelry would imagine this to be anything but expensive. I used to wear Grand Seiko as a young man because it was awesome. No one knew the brand, but they knew Seiko, and the watches always drew compliments. I sold them all a few years back when the brand went full Hublot. I think this Citizen is everything Grand Seiko used to be. I almost bought the white paper dial, then did not because I became aware of the mechanical. Now, I think I just want quartz. The paper dials are amazing though.

I always buy from a dealer except for my Grand Seiko sbgy026 because they only made 100 of them and they were allocated from jump. But I always pull out my loupe.

I went through this process with a Zenith last month. My local AD wasn't really willing to play ball at all. I even offered to wire the cash, but the discount would have only saved me the taxes essentially. He tried to offer me a watch winder, but I don't use winders, so little benefit. Eventually, a friend connected me with a dealer out of state who got me a fantastic price, and I was able to register the watch with a full warranty. Buying through my local AD would have been a fun experience, but it wasn't worth thousands of dollars to me.

That is a sweet watch

I never understand why the SARX models are not more popular. I love them. I had all of these, and sold them on. I only miss the Brightz cream cocktail. I do have a modern SARX Sharp Edge and wear it a lot. With the silly high prices for the SARB models, I have no idea why anyone would pay more for a SARB than for a SARX. It is madness.

I love these. I want the grey one. My problem is that for a not so hot watch, these rarely ever list for under $4500. It seems kind of high for me, but I might be ignorant of how this brand trades. I see the really ugly Big Bang precious metal models trading at massive discounts, and most of the chronographs, but not this one. My dream would be this watch, slightly smaller in gold with a quartz movement, but I am not sure if that watch even exists (I found one example, but it was too small). I do think these watches are too often discounted. They are big, but so am I.

Is Seiya Japan still around? I loved that site, but I think he closed it.

I love that zenith. It looks so alive with the seconds hand going round all the time

Omega Planet Ocean Grey and Orange model. I would also add the Seiko ZIMBE Marine Master. Now that is a rare watch.

Bruce, why would someone NOT buy new from Jomashop? I will always buy from an AD if it is only a 10% discount, but what about 50%? I sometimes see huge discounts on Bucherer and others, so why would I not take a huge discount? Are lemons a common occurrence?